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WE ARE NOT YOUR SAFE SPACE by hungry-cat-mike WE ARE NOT YOUR SAFE SPACE by hungry-cat-mike
Just because we all got weird fetishes doesn't mean that some of us don't have a bit of common sense.

Just because we all have weird kinks doesn't meant that we are easily offended, or cannot take opposing viewpoints.

Hell, fetishes are as politically incorrect as it is.  Plenty of people get offended by pictures of Crisis from Felarya eating people (myself included, but that doesn't mean that people aren't free to read Felarya and enjoy it).  Except for the softest forms of vore, mouthplay and consensual nonfatal vore, it's all about dominance and powerplay.  Does that sound politically correct to you?

It's really ironic, because fetishes don't seem immune to the SJW virus that's infecting all of the other fandoms.

Got the idea from :iconguei-girl:  Thanks alot!
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hungry-cat-mike Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2017
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MonstrousPiratelord Featured By Owner Edited Mar 26, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Political correctness is a failure from stating it's very name.

Politics is a subjective matter and has no correct way of being done. As different methods work for different people, implying that a subjective matter has any correctness to it just defeats the very foundation subjectivity.

I find my biggest issue with thinking that fetishes are incorrect politically is just dignifying a faulty term. After all "political correctness" was made by know it all white american left wing students who only use protest and debates as an attempt to censor and silence people or groups that they dislike. I think some fetishes are either normal or abnormal. There is no correctness, only what's more common.

I could honestly care if someone wanted to draw fetish work of vore or any other uncommon fetish. After all the website is called "Deviantart" which means abnormal sexual behavior. However I don't think DA intended for this site to be sexual (which is why we got filters and age restrictions) but "Deviant" still means "deviating from the norm" so by dictating on what people should draw or enjoy. Is actually defying the very title of the site these people claim to care about.
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Boschian-Fantasies Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2017  Student General Artist
Hell, I think Tumblrina SJWs should just leave fetishes and adult entertainment alone!

It's bad enough SJWs are trying to make horror shows and film PC. 
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MonstrousPiratelord Featured By Owner Edited Mar 27, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
My biggest gripe is that it usually isn't Tumblrtards making rude comments to fetish people.

I'm not sure about you but with me it's usually 11 year old girls who can't draw for shit dictating to other artists while they have a crush on people who make untalented rant videos about abnormal fetishes.

Usually it seems to be the likes of "DA Cringe" and "Solarsands" being as most of their content is "WOW GUYZ LOOK AT HOW DISGUSTING THIS FETISH IS" and to make it worse they usually link the members of DA that they have covered. Like I don't mind people showing off the work while leaving the artist anonymous, if they did that there wouldn't be to much harassment. But they usually hint to their fans that they should "check them out" in their video descriptions. 

Now I for one can't tell you directly who's being a morally compassed asshole on your pictures. But from my experience? it's less of Tumblr-feminist-Genderfluid-leftwing-bitches and more of Solarsands-loving-11 year old-faggots-who-can't-comeup-with-their-own-opinion.
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hungry-cat-mike Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2017
What you're essentially asking for is a safe space for your fetish... which is being politically correct in a sense as in asking not to be kink shamed.


I make fun of vore all the time.  Your point?

If you are a fetishist you need to understand that you are opening yourself up to criticism as soon as you start posting fetish work. You need to be willing to accept this and not be surprised when you get criticism/people complaining.


Never said otherwise.  In fact, I completely agree with you.

In the fetish community there was a huge problem with harassment towards female members


Examples?  Evidence?  Proof?

In no way am I saying that individual fetishists need to tailor their works to satisfy other people... but I am saying that the issue of how female fetishists are treated needs to be addressed by multiple communities.


You are not making any sense.
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Boschian-Fantasies Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2017  Student General Artist
Don't bother with her. She is a stuck up know it all, who claims to be smart, yet has to have a diagram drawn out for her, as if she has an IQ under 70.

Ever noticed that with SJWs? They claim to be smart and all knowing, but in reality, they are inbred retards who don't their ass from a hole in the ground.

I'm through with being nice to these jerks and kissing their asses. From now on, kindness and respect have to BE EARNED, NOT DEMANDED!
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hungry-cat-mike Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2017
1.  No, I simply believe that other people need to accept people talking openly, and that they are allowed to criticize ideas.  That is the very definition of an unsafe space.  Where only fit ideas survive, because the cancerous ones go to die because it's been laughed out of the mainstream.

3.  Yes, I want proof.
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RedIcicle Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I guess I would argue demanding others to be politically correct about their fetish in such communities is harmful. But, for example, I don't see any reason banning non-constructive dialogue is a problem in fetish communities. I.e. banning hate speech of all stripes on a fetish subreddit seems appropriate, since as a rule identity politics cannot be of any benefit in such communities.
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hungry-cat-mike Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2017
Define "Hate speech".

I've recently posted a drawing that many people interpreted as "transphobic", but several LGBT people told me that they liked it.
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RedIcicle Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh, I was more referring to things like unrelated bashing of some specified group. Your controversial artwork is a bit crude IMO, kinda attacking a straw-SJW, but it's not hate speech. The target is a viewpoint.
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NagaBellyLover Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2017  Hobbyist Writer
Here come the morons.

These people dont understand the concept; characters being gay, bisexual, trans, or whatever retarded gender fluid-thing is fine.
Its when the political opinion is pushed with that character and in this case fetish material; we shouldnt accept that willy nilly. That shit can fuck off.
And this is coming from someone who IS bisexual, so you know, LGBT people arent some kind of hive mind that all agree on one thing.
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Vertical-Misfit Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:noes: we're monsters to be judged, nuu :nuu:

:XD: i think you're fighting a losing battle here, you'll never overcome ignorance, closed minds and stupidity, but, i'm with ya! :la:
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LordOvWaffles Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Isn't the whole point of a fetish community to like... provide a safe space for people to express their fetish without fear of being judged?
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Oh, we won't judge you for being a vorarephile.  Hell, we won't judge you for being trans.

Doesn't mean we will put up with you if you're a special snowflake or whiny asshole.

On a completely different note, if members of the vore community decide to poke fun at themselves for being vorarephiles, wouldn't that mean that they don't consider their "community" to be a safe space?
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LordOvWaffles Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's like on Tom amd Jerry when Tom draws the line in the dirt at the limit of Spike's leash. Yeah, yeah. I get it. You just want to be able to say silly things and don't want people to be able to criticize you. Quit being a special snowflake.
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Klintell Featured By Owner May 16, 2017  Professional General Artist
He's transphobic in the caustic way (will intentionally misgender) and all those fun things. 
Stay away <3

The "I will not call you ____ and will be upset with you you do not respect me not respecting you." type

Thats what I got out of all of these comments that he keeps replying too!
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hungry-cat-mike Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2017
Nah, I don't misgender people if they earn my respect.  I refer to Blaire White as a "she" all the time.
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hungry-cat-mike Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2017
Nah, people can criticize me all they want.

Doesn't mean I can't criticize too.
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Boschian-Fantasies Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017  Student General Artist
Thank you for making this stamp! I'm flattered that I inspired you.

What's next with these wankers? Giving fictional characters the same human rights and privileges as real flesh and blood human beings? 
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hungry-cat-mike Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017
If that happens, the only type of vore allowed will be nonfatal vore where the prey goes out the bum bum of the pred alive and whole.  Don't get me wrong, I love nonfatal vore more than anything else.  But if that happened, it would get pretty boring for everybody else.
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Boschian-Fantasies Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017  Student General Artist
I draw violent and gory artwork as a coping tool with dealing with my negative emotions. 

Isn't the freedom of artistic expression a wonderful thing?
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J-Anne-Bonne Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017  Student General Artist
I feel like the title is an oxymoron. If a "safe space" excludes things that are unsavory to the people within it, wouldn't excluding "political correctness" by definition turn it into a safe space for those who find it unsavory?

It kinda seems like the idea of getting rid if such spaces in general is confusing. If there are no "safe spaces," then by definition, the whole thing becomes a "safe space" FROM "safe spaces." An unsafe space that is also technically a "safe space..."
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You are trying to make the issue more complex than it needs to be:

Not even within the vore community are you safe from criticism, whether it be of your art style, your skill, your religious beliefs, or political beliefs.  It's one thing to block someone because they are harassing you or being blatantly hateful.  It's something completely different to have an autistic meltdown because someone politely told you why they think you are wrong, or what you can do to improve your artwork.

In an "unsafe place", only the best ideas survive, and cancerous ideas go to hell and rot.
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J-Anne-Bonne Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017  Student General Artist
And you're making this too "us versus them":

All communities have people giving criticism, constructive or otherwise. And define "autistic meltdown." You mean like slinging insults at those you disagree with? I believe the term "bitch" is quite the insult to one who didn't say such a thing first. If I were to politely make a point against someone, resorting to ad hominem would not be on my to-do list. Otherwise, I would believe that I had this meltdown since I couldn't stick solely to logic.

Finally, your definition of "unsafe space" still fills the idea of what you define as a "safe space." Purging the ideas of some specifically for the interests of the others? Sounds pretty "safe" for the ones with the interests. Especially since ideas and morality are always a subjective point, there will never be an idea that's great to someone without being insane to others and vice versa.
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hungry-cat-mike Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017
Purging the ideas of some specifically for the interests of the others? Sounds pretty "safe" for the ones with the interests. Especially since ideas and morality are always a subjective point, there will never be an idea that's great to someone without being insane to others and vice versa.


An unsafe place is where your ideas have to enter the marketplace of ideas.  And if they don't survive under scrutiny and logic and reason, it dies off.  Cancerous ideas can't survive when the playing field is level.
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J-Anne-Bonne Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017  Student General Artist
That sounds safe in a different way. You also don't provide whom we expect to run this "marketplace of ideals" nor do you address that ideas are still very subjective in nature.
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hungry-cat-mike Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017
Nobody runs the marketplace of ideas, except for basic rules of logic and reason.

And ideas that are subjective in nature?  See, that's another way that SJWs subvert the marketplace of ideas in order to allow cancerous ideologies to survive.  Like, you know, treating these ideas as subjective:

1.  There are only two genders, and anyone else who thinks otherwise is either mentally ill or seeking attention.
2.  There is such a thing as biological, binary sex, and any other "sexs" are anomalies with barely functional genitals
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J-Anne-Bonne Featured By Owner Edited Mar 1, 2017  Student General Artist
That is but a single example. And even it still hinges on the subjectivity of culture (While America will remove one of the "anomaly's" genitals, Greece does not (hence why Hermaphroditus and by extension "Hermaphrodite" is a thing) and merely give them a third label)

This doesn't address other "subjective" issues as a whole though. Such as gun laws (both the highest gun death rate (Honduras IIRC) and the lowest (Japan) have similar laws about it) or the bipartisan "pick-a-side" system. It still sounds like a safe space unless the ideals of all cultures converged at once, which given the state of human nature, isn't gonna happen.
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hungry-cat-mike Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017
Gun laws are not subjective either.  At least not as much as you think.

youtu.be/0L7BzZq_NEQ

And do you honestly think that I'm not fed up with the alt right too?  And that I'm not absolutely terrified that they're going to become more angry and polarized  I blame the SJWs for being as crazy as they are.  It takes a radical to destroy one.  For every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction.
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lunarfox513 Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017
Political correctness has no place in anything, really. It's stifling. Just don't be malicious, that's about it!
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hungry-cat-mike Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017
I hear people like voraciouspanda say bullshit like, "dunt wach me if ur a homophobetransphobemisogynisteieio".  Hell, stuff like that shouldn't have to be said, because a genuine bigot wouldn't want to watch a target of their bigotry anyway.
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LordOvWaffles Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
lol. You ever seen the actual replies to those posts?
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hungry-cat-mike Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2017
Yep.  Most of those replies are me telling them (COUGH COUGH) that they're full of shit.
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westerncroc Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017  Student Writer
Sometimes I wonder if we have an instinctive drive to be offended.
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Tangle-Giantess Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017
Likely.
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Phoenix-Fightmaster Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017  Hobbyist
If you don't want the fetish community to become polluted with political debate, why did you dump this onto my inbox?
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hungry-cat-mike Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017
You silly.

Political debates happen in the fetish community all the damn time.  I'm not complaining about that.

Don't confuse "political debate" with "political correctness".
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Phoenix-Fightmaster Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017  Hobbyist
Ah, so political debates have a place in the fetish community provided you approve of their nature.
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hungry-cat-mike Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017
The "Nature" of political debates I approve of are free and open, where people don't immediately scream, "racist! sexist! homophobe! transphobe! misogynist!" at the drop of a hat.
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